the key with debates does president obama perform poorly or mitt romney well. the key with all des what's the moment. is there a big moment that op ppt about the ndhang dynamic in a big way. governor romney will not only have to perform well in general because president obama's likely to perform well in general but he has to have moment like that or two moments like that in the first debate that will make people see him with new eyes. that's a very- never done tha before but he could do. joeroulde id had no chance but did it eight years ago. >> the other thing is you're running into this early voting thing as well, which it's not actually 40 some odd days until the election, probably a narrowerwindow, looking at colorado 80% of theeople that voted in corn ie 2008 election cycle voted early. part of the problem for mitt romney is the ground game issue. the reason that democrats do better is because president obama has a and the dnc a fierce get out the vote and early registrationrive and ground game. >> i don't thi ttar vooi t make the debates any less important